Para quien sabe ingles! Entrevista dada por Sergio Oliva a With Brian D. Johnston.

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In Conversation with Sergio Oliva
With Brian D. Johnston
BDJ: How did you meet Arthur Jones; what lead to your involvement with him?
SO: Jones initially contacted me from Deland, Florida. He wanted me to fly to Daytona Beach to check out
what he was doing, and to give an opinion of his machines. So, I flew down and tested them, and I found
them to be quite different from other, regular machines. He then asked if I wanted to go through one of his
routines while under his supervision. And I said, "yes." It was very intensive... very powerful... and very
different from other routines.
BDJ: Provide an example of a routine you did at that time.
SO: Jones would put you in a routine starting with legs. The exercises were carried to the point where you
could not possibly do any more reps -- to the point of not being able to move the weight. A routine, for
instance, would have you start with a squat to muscular failure. Then when you were finished, he would put
you in the Nautilus squat machine and that combination would beat the hell out of you. By the time you
finished, you would not have the energy to do anything. Then he has you immediately doing the regular free
weight bench press, followed by a Nautilus chest machine... then more exercises for the remainder of the
body.
BDJ: So, Jones had you alternate between free weights and machines?
SO: He would only recommend the machines, but I wanted to use free weights also. But when we started to
get close to the competition, there was no way I could do both... no way. The machines alone would do it for
me. If you don't use the machines the way we did, then it's a piece of cake and you can easily include other
exercises in between. But with Jones's method, there is no way... you keep going until you can no longer
move. And when you think you're going to rest, he has you going to another machine! By the time you get to
the other machine, you feel like you're going to die, pushing yourself to the maximum again. When finish, all
you can do is lay down on the floor.
BDJ: Did Jones train in your presence, and if so, did he train that hard?
SO: He had his own routine and method of using those machines. I saw other people use the machines, but
it was not the same way that Jones used them. He had a machine for each muscle, and they way he used
them and instructed people to use them, it felt like you were going to throw up. Sometimes he would get
people to use machine after machine, and when you thought you were finished, he would get you to do a
squat! It was unbelievable.
BDJ: A legendary workout had you train immediately after Casey Viator, performing a full body workout.
Reports indicate that you could not complete the workout very well and was reduced to using relatively light
weights in order to complete it. Is that account very accurate?
SO: Yes. That was my very first workout when I went down to Florida. Casey already lived there with Jones
and was used to the workouts. I wanted to also workout, and I thought, "Jesus Christ!" I believed that I could
not do it, having trained so hard for so long. That's when he put me through all the machines. By the time I
got to the last one, I thought I was going to throw up on the floor. But as you continue going every day, your
power, endurance, determination increases so much that you are able to handle that kind of routine. It was
the way that he did it that was different. Too many people used them like they were using free weights –
pumping and resting.


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BDJ: I believe you may be the only person to officially develop a muscular arm with a height (from the top of
the biceps to the bottom of the triceps) greater than the height of one's head. Did this phenomenon occur
while training with Jones?
SO: This occurred with Jones, around the time of the 1972 Mr. Olympia in Essen, Germany. You see, Jones
tricked everybody. He would invite them down and pay for the trip to test his machines. Everyone went
down... Columbu, Arnold, Zane... everybody. And as soon as you arrived he would start measuring your
arms cold, then he would tell you how much you can increase in a couple of days, and nobody would believe
it. All those Weider magazines claiming 21-22" arms would have everyone coming down to 18-19"... and the
only 20.5" cold was my arm. After going through his workouts, my arm was almost an inch bigger, and that
happened for everybody. Arnold's arm was 19.75", and Weider had him in the magazines with 22.5". It was
ridiculous -- all their measurements came down when Jones measured them. It was during that time that
Jones measured my arms and my head, and I couldn't believe that my arms were bigger than my head... I
didn't pay attention up to that point.
BDJ: I believe your initial meeting with Jones was around the same time that Arnold beat you during that
very controversial Mr. Olympia in Essen, Germany?
SO: Yes, it was around then that we started training together, but was actually about a year before when I
started training with Arthur to prepare for the Mr. Universe in London.
BDJ: The one picture I remember of you from Essen, Germany was when you held your arms up over your
head -- it was very striking. You're also, perhaps, one of the few who can hold that pose and look good?
SO: Ah, yes, the Victory Pose. A lot of bodybuilders try to do it, but the problem with the Victory Pose is that
you have to have so much muscle. Your lats have to be tremendous, and the waist very tiny. Plus the lats
have to be linked to tremendous triceps and the chest has to be huge; otherwise you look flat from the front
when you raise the arms. And when you work your way up, the forearms have to be huge, otherwise they
look small connected to the triceps. And that pose came out of no where; I did it, but don't know how or why.
I was posing in a country in the 1960s, I lifted my arms up, and everybody went bananas! From that day on
everybody started calling me the Myth, and named it the Victory Pose. And after that if I didn't hold that pose
they wouldn't let me off the stage (laughter).
BDJ: Judging from past photos, I believe you were your biggest while training with Jones.
SO: No question about it. And it's too bad... I should have stayed with him. When I went to London in 1970
for the Mr. Universe, everyone knew I beat those guys, including Bill Pearl... I was given second place. From
there I was to go to the 1971 Mr. Olympia, in Paris. I spoke to Serge Nubret who asked that I go to the Mr.
Olympia since Joe Weider wouldn't be there to fix the contest. I then flew to Paris, and while there Joe found
out I was going to compete. And he refused... he would not let me compete. He said I was suspended for a
year because I competed in the non-IFBB sanctioned Mr. Universe in London the year before. He used any
kind of trick. He allowed me to do a posing exhibition, but not compete. In 1972, the Mr. Olympia promoter
called everyone to go, and everyone did. But Joe didn't want Arnold to go, but Arnold wanted to compete. (I
have nothing against Arnold, he has done very well; many people used him in the beginning, then he used
them.) Arnold competed in Essen. By that time, the training I had with Jones allowed me to win the contest
by miles. People are still talking about Essen '72. Even Arnold himself said that he didn't win, that it was
nothing but politics... it was nothing but politics, but they gave it to him. After that contest Weider put the
promoter out of the promotion business. Serge Nubret used to be the big man when it came to running
contests. Weider also put him out of the business because Serge did not want to run the contests the way
Weider wanted to run them – his way with the placings predetermined.


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BDJ: After you left Jones's instruction and went your own way, did you continue training with a HIT approach,
or did you return to volume training?
SO: Well, I went back to free weights because I did not have access to his machines. I was definitely more
powerful after the experience and was lifting more on the free weights than ever before. I did maintained the
same intensity afterward, however.
BDJ: The reason I brought that up is that previous issues of muscle magazines, and throughout various
Weider encyclopedias and books, it suggested that you performed a much higher volume of training, up to
15-20 sets per muscle group.
SO: I definitely did not do that many sets, but don't forget I didn't have the machines, which were much more
intense -- requiring less volume in comparison to free weights. So I had to make up for the reduction in
quality. It's politics, the Weider bullshit magazines. But they control everything. If you try and fight it they will
do everything to get you out of the way. They control all the contests, equipment and bodybuilders. And
bodybuilders have to go with Weider because where else are they going to compete? They have to bend
and go with them. But me, I did not care. When I went to Weider I was already Sergio Oliva, so he could not
say that he 'made' me. People already knew me from before and that I was with the AAU before going for the
IFBB. He could not use me, perhaps to the point where he could claim that he took me out of my mamma's
belly.
BDJ: Well, Weider claims to be Trainer of Champions.
SO: When he took Arnold under his wing, Arnold was already competing in London, England for Mr. Universe.
He only trained a few people, but that's the propaganda. They also call him the 'Master', but I don't know the
master of what... maybe the master of breaking your back and your brains. A lot of politics, and it's too bad.
For the younger bodybuilders they have no choice. If you use the drugs, have the physique and want to
make money, then you have to go with him. Otherwise, don't use the drugs because you won't have any
other place to go. It's all Weider: the Mr. Olympia, Mr. Universe, Night of Champions. They have every body
back and front.
BDJ: What opinion do you have of Arthur Jones?
SO: Anything I have to say about Jones is good. He is the only honest man I met in bodybuilding. If he says
"I'm going to pay you so much", he does. If he says that he's going to train you a particular way, and next
year you're going to look a certain way, then you will look that way. He's the type of person you like to be
around; the type of person you like to deal with since he won't screw you or use you. Totally different from
those other assholes. And everyone who went down to Florida knows that. And it's too bad... if Jones was
the one running all the competitions, there would have been a lot of changes. He should have been the one
to run the Mr. Olympia and other contests.
BDJ: What is your opinion on the competitors of today, compared to your competition days?
SO: When I see what they are going through, and what they have to take to be what they are... I wouldn't
want it. You can even see how differently the muscle develops on bodybuilders of today versus those of the
sixties. The amount of steroids that they use is way over the limit. And that's why you see those physiques...
they're tremendous.
BDJ: I find most of the physiques today look like one another; almost clone-like. Competitors of the sixties
and seventies each had a special unique look or style.
SO: Yes, they all look the same. And if they have a little bit of shape, they all have the same kind of shape!
They all have the same look. And it's hard to differentiate one from the other


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BDJ: What are your thoughts on some of the past Mr. Olympias, in regards to political tampering? How
about the 1979 Mr. Olympia between Zane and Mentzer?
SO: Mentzer all the way. There is no doubt about it. But don't forget, Mike came from the outside; Zane was
with Weider. Don't let anybody fool you. Zane, Arnold, Columbu, Haney... all those guys were under contract.
Now, Lee Haney is my friend and I have a lot of respect for him, but there is no way in the old days that Lee
Haney would have won the Mr. Olympia. His physique is unproportional -- a man with a back, but no arms or
calves. Then there's Dorian Yates. He has a belly like a cow and no arms. That is not a complete physique.
That is not proportional or symmetrical. But being under contract.... Now, if they put Zane and Mentzer
together in a contest that was not Weider dominated then Mike would have won. Zane knows that, and Zane
is my personal friend.
BDJ: Do you think Haney deserved any of the Mr. Olympia wins?
SO: He may have deserved some Mr. Olympias, but not all... not the guys he competed against. But, he
knows. Everybody knows.
BDJ: Could you relay your own experience with drug use?
SO: This is an area of great interest for people. I don't care who wants to take steroids, because that's a
personal choice... that's his life. Now, today, everybody has access to them. I even saw in one of the big
magazines that Arnold denies having used them, but Arnold was one of the first to bring steroids over to
America. And everybody in the old days used them: Zane, Columbu, myself, Arnold, Larry Scott, Harold
Poole, Dave Draper, and even Steve Reeves. There's no way to deny it. It wasn't much, nothing like today.
But the development of drugs is much different. I used decca and dianabol, and that was something really
big at the time; and decca was not considered that bad. It was even prescribed by doctors to help make your
bones strong. Today you have guys weighing 200 pounds, and six months later they weigh 250-300 pounds!
So you know these guys are taking something unbelievable. When they say they haven't taken any thing,
you know that it's phony.
BDJ: I could only imagine what you would look like if you have access to the drugs of today.
SO: Geez... I wouldn't even want to think about it. My God... (laughter). We used to talk about the big deal of
taking decca and dianabol. Now the talk is about growth hormone. I see what they are using... the way they
look... I tell you, it's scary... I would pass on that. Anybody can go work out and get a physique without
steroids, and that is what I recommend. The drugs today is not worth the money or the way it makes you
look. The consequences later are going to be big.
BDJ: I notice a lot of people take steroids because they are too lazy to train hard – mostly teenage boys.
SO: Yes that's what it is. But they're making a double mistake. When you take steroids you have to train even
harder... otherwise the excess weight later turns into fat. If you train hard, eat well with quality protein, and
take a good vitamin and mineral, then you can achieve a good physique. And a good physique comes from
about 45% of your genes, whereas the rest is from training. So, if you're going to be something, then you're
going to be something. If you're not, then you're not. But with all those steroids, you're going to be one of the
group... you're not going to be different. I wouldn't recommend them to anyone... to my friends or any of my
family.
BDJ: You're still training to this day. Tell us about it.
SO: I'm 60 years old and I go to the gym five days a week. I enjoy going to the gym very much. When I
competed I trained 5 days a week, year round. I'm not like some of the competitors who only trained for six
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BDJ: Physique wise, who do you consider to be the best bodybuilder?
SO: There are a few. One of the best right now is Flex Wheeler. I also like Shawn Ray and Ron Coleman. I
compare myself to Flex Wheeler, a little bit. He reminds me of myself, with a tiny waist. My back was much
bigger, though. He is the only one with a really complete physique.
BDJ: Your last year of competition was 1985. I've heard from some spectators that they did not care whether
you won the contest; it was worth attending just to see the legendary Oliva. Tell us about that.
SO: I could have entered that contest much better, and much bigger... that night was not the same physique
that I always carried. I felt sick, like a Zombie. I followed my wife's suggestion in changing my diet. I've
always had a problem with my diet. Thank God I had good genes to be able to eat what I want. So it seemed
everything that I ate, I turned it into muscle. Anyway, she wanted me to follow the diet that Frank Zane
followed. But she made a mistake. The diet was all right for Frank Zane's metabolism, but for me, it was not
doing the job. I had no power to train and I felt too weak to workout... it was a disaster. If I did it my way, I
would have looked unbelievable. The second thing is, and I found this out, that even if I looked like King
Kong and cut, they would have given me the same placing. Weider indicated no other placing for me but
eighth.
BDJ: A similar thing happened to Mentzer in Sydney, Australia, in 1980 when they gave him fifth place.
SO: That's right, and believe it my friend. And I could not do any better than eighth place because all those
guys on the stage are the same ones endorsing his vitamins, proteins, magazines, equipment... I didn't do
anything for him, because he didn't do anything for me. As a matter of fact, he took away from me. But I
decided to come back for that contest. And who picks the judges? Weider. So, how can you win?
BDJ: What projects and plans do you have for the immediate future?
SO: I regularly do seminars and guest appearances. And I do my seminars different from everyone else. I
tell it like it is and allow the audience to ask me questions. Other bodybuilders only talk about the good
things. I talk about the good and the bad. People don't always want to hear about the blue and the red, but
the black and the white. That is why I'm asked to do seminars all over the world, and people really enjoy
them. I'm also working with someone on a book about my life story and competition days. I was supposed to
do this book before, but I like to say things they way they are and it was difficult to get interested writers
willing to put it all on the line. I don't push or drink protein powders and I won't endorse things I don't believe
in. So, in a business sense, I was bad for the business. And this also affected some of the contests in which
I competed. The book will discuss these things, but also my Olympic lifting days before bodybuilding, when
I prepared for the Pan American games, when I prepared in Russia, all the sports I did in Cuba to escape...
basketball, volleyball, boxing, running... I was doing everything, but the competition was too high. I did so
much in life that it is not necessary to add or take away from my stories, but it is hard to find someone willing
to print the truth. I will tell about the politics and the contests Joe fixed. A lot of people will be against it, and
a lot of people are going to know a lot that they don't already know. also, I'm also still working on the police
force with about 6-7 years to go.
BDJ: Thank you for your time.
Visit Sergio's site at SERGIO OLIVA: The Myth!
 
tratare se traducirlo lo antes posible, por que igual tengo trabajos que hacer, pero apenas lo tenga lo publico ok?
saludos!
 
No entiendo nada pero me parece que le mete un ataque a Weider y a Arnold, pero como ya dije no entiendo nadaa

mira
estoy a punto de terminar la primera parte
justo hoy es mi dia libre en el trabajo
asi que en un par de minutos la posteo (la primera parte)
 
Última edición:
listo; aca esta la primera parte

Conversando con Sergio Oliva:
Con Brian D. Johnston

BDJ: Como conociste a Arthur Jones; que te llevo a involucrarte con el?

SO: Inicialmente Jones se contacto conmigo desde Deland, Florida. El quiso que viajara a daytona a ver lo que estaba haciendo, y dar mi opinión acerca de sus maquinas. Asi que viaje y las probé, y descubrí que eran diferente a las maquinas regulares de ese tiempo. Luego el me pregunto si quería probar una de sus rutinas mientras estaba bajo supervisión y dije “si”. Era muy intenso…muy poderoso… y muy diferente a otras rutinas

BDJ: Podrías dar un ejemplo de la rutina que hiciste en ese tiempo

SO: Jones podría ponerte una rutina comenzando con piernas. Los ejercicios eran llevados al punto donde tu no era posible hacer mas repeticiones… al punto de no poder mover el peso. Una rutina por ejemplo, debías comenzar con sentadillas hasta el fallo muscular. Luego una vez que terminabas, te colocabas en la maquina de sentadillas nautilus, y esa combinación te dejaba completamente exhausto. Lugo de haber terminado eso, no tenías la energía suficiente para hacer nada. Luego el inmediatamente te hacia hacer press de banca con peso regular, seguida con la maquina de pecho nautilus… luego mas ejercicios para el resto del cuerpo.

BDJ: así que Jones te hacia alternar pesos libres con maquinas?

SO: el solamente recomendaba maquinas, pero yo quise también usar pesos libres, porque cuando comenzara en las competiciones, no habría forma de que yo pudiera hacer ambas (pesos libres, maquinas)…No podía. Las maquinas solas podían hacerlo por mi y si yo no usaba las maquinas en la forma que el me decía, luego eso seria muy fácil y tu podías fácilmente incluir otros ejercicios entremedio. Pero en el método de Jones no había forma, tu debías seguir hasta que no pudieras moverte; y cuando creías que podías descansar, el te llevaba a otra maquina; te sentías que te ibas a morir, empujándote tu mismo nuevamente hasta el máximo; cuando terminaba, lo único que podías hacer era tirarte en el piso.

BDJ: Jones entrenaba en tu presencia, y si lo hacia, el entrenaba duro?

SO: El tenía su propia rutina y método usando otras maquinas. Yo veía otra gente usando las maquinas, pero no era de la misma forma como Jones las usaba. El tenia una maquina para cada músculo y en la forma que el las usaba, daba instrucciones a la gente para usarlas. Eso te hacia sentir que ibas a vomitar. A veces el hacia a la gente usar maquina tras maquina, y cuando pensaste que habías terminado, ¡Te mandaba a hacer sentadillas! Era increíble

BDJ: Un entrenamiento legendario que inmediatamente después tomaste parte fue el de Casey Viator, haciendo un entrenamiento de cuerpo completo.
Los reportes indican que tú no pudiste completar el entrenamiento muy bien ya tuviste que reducir los pesos para completar la rutina. Es esa información cierta?

SO: Si, era mi primer entrenamiento desde que había dejado Florida. Casey vivía con Jones prácticamente y solía hacer sus rutinas. Yo también quise ejercitarme con ellas, y luego pensé “Dios mío!” por que creí que no podría hacerlas, ya que había entrenado muy duro por mucho tiempo. Eso era cuando el me puso en las maquinas. A la hora que fue a la última maquina, pensé que iba a vomitar en el piso; pero como continué yendo todos los días, mi poder, resistencia y determinación crecieron tanto que ahora podía manejar cualquier tipo de rutina. Esa era la forma que el hizo que fuera diferente. Mucha gente las uso como si estuvieran usando pesos libres. Entrenando y descansando
 
aca esta la segunda parte (no se si tenga el tiempo suficiente de subir las otras tres)

BDJ: Yo creo que tu fuiste oficialmente la única persona que desarrollo un brazo muscular con la media (desde la punta del bíceps, hasta el fondo del tríceps) mas grande que la medida de la cabeza de uno. Ese fenómeno ocurrió mientras entrenabas con Arthur Jones?

SO: eso ocurrió con Jones, cerca de 1972 en el mister Olimpia en Essen, Alemania; como tu vez, Jones engaño a todos. El te podía invitar pero debías para probar sus maquinas. Todos fueron, Columbu, Arnold, Zane… todos. Tan pronto llegabas del viaje, el comenzaba a medirte los brazos en frió y luego el te decía cuanto podía incrementar tu brazo en un par de días, y nadie le creía.
Todas esas revistas de weider reclamaban que los brazos de 21-22" podían acabar bajando 18-19" (en frió)… y en frió mi brazo solamente media 20.5". Después de haber pasado por sus entrenamientos, mi brazo era casi una pulgada más grande, y eso paso con todos, el brazo de Arnold era de 19.75” , y Weider lo tuvo en sus revistas con 22.5". Era ridículo; todas esas medidas aparecieron cuando Jones las media. Eso fue durante el tiempo en que Jones media mis brazos y mi cabeza, y yo no podía creer que mis brazos fueran mas grandes que mi cabeza!... aunque yo no le puse mucha atención a ese punto.

BDJ: Yo creía que tu cuando inicialmente conociste a Jones era alrededor de la misma época en que Arnold te venció en ese controversial mister Olimpia en Essen, Alemania

SO: Si, fue alrededor de es época en la comenzamos a entrenar juntos, pero fue como un año antes cuando yo comencé a entrenar con Arthur para prepararme para el Mr. Universo en Londres

BDJ: La única imagen que recuerdo de ti en Essen, Alemania era cuando tu levantaste tus brazos sobre tu cabeza; Era muy llamativo; tu eres, quizás uno de los pocos que podía hacer esa pose y verse bien?

SO: Ah, si, la pose de la victoria. Mucho físico culturistas tratan de hacerla, pero el problema con la pose de la victoria es que tienes que tener mucho músculo. Tus medidas deben ser tremendas y tu cintura muy pequeña, además de eso, tus medidas deben venir unidas con unos tremendos tríceps y tu pecho debe ser gigante; por que de otra forma, te veras plano de frente cuando tu levantes los brazos, y cuando muestres la parte de arriba de la pose (de la victoria) tus antebrazos deben ser gigantes, o sino se van a ver pequeños conectados al tríceps. Y esa pose no salio de la nada; La hice, pero no recuerdo como o por que.
Estaba posando en un país en los sesentas, Y levante mis brazos, y como que todos se volvieron locos!, y desde ese día todos comenzaron a llamarme el mito, y la llamaron la pose de la victoria, y Luego de eso Si no hacia esa pose en el escenario, ellos me echaban a patada (risas)

BDJ: juzgando fotos pasadas, Creo que tú estabas más grande mientras entrenabas con Jones

SO: No hay duda al respecto... y es muy malo… debí haberme quedado con el. Cuando fui a Londres en 1970 para el Mr. Universo, todos sabían que yo les ganaría a esos tipos, incluyendo Bill Pearl, que fue el segundo lugar. Pero ahí yo iba a ir al Mr. Olimpia de 1971 en Paris. Hable son Serge Nubret quien me pregunto si yo iba a ir al Mr. Olimpia ya que Joe Weider no iba a estar ahí para arreglar el certamen. Entonces yo viaje a Paris y ya estando ahí Joe se entero de que yo iba a competir. Y el se negó… y no me dejo competir. El dijo que fui suspendido por un año ya que competí en un certamen que no pertenecía a IFBB (Londres) en año anterior. El usó todo tipo de trucos. El me permitió posar en exhibiciones pero no en competencias. En 1972, el promotor de Mister Olimpia llamo a que todos fuéramos, y todos lo hicieron; Pero Joe no quería que Arnold compitiera, pero Arnold quería competir (no tengo nada en contra de Arnold, el lo ha hecho todo muy bien; mucha gente lo usó en el comienzo, y luego el los usó). Arnold compitió en Essen, pero en ese tiempo el entrenamiento que yo tuve con Jones me permitió ganar el certamen por lejos. La gente sigue hablando acerca del certamen de Essen en el 72. Hasta el mismo Arnold dijo que no ganó, que fue solo una cuestión de política… No fue nada, solo política, pero se lo dieron a el. Después de ese certamen Weider puso al promotor del certamen fuera del negocio. Serge Nubret solía ser grande cuando comenzó a correr en los certámenes; Y weider también lo saco del negocio por que Serge no debía correr en los certámenes en la forma que Weider quería; A su forma con lugares determinados
 
E spor eso que en un Mr Olimpia de los actuales cuando todos los campeones suben al escenario a sacarse la foto y Arnold le pide a Sergio que le de la mano a Weider se ve como Sergio intenta irse por otro lugar para no darsela y despues le hace un gesto a Arnold para que se la de el.Al final Sergio y Weider salen juntos en la foto de manos dadas.
 
no me habia dado cuenta que tan manipulador puede ser Weider en estos certames, involucrando netamente sus intereses
 
Por lo que tengo entendido no ha muerto, de hecho como dice cubano de acero entego los premios en el Olimpia pasado
 
Cuando puedas le metes caña al resto, saludos y cuidate!
 
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